Forge Ahead in the Next Version Update! (04/18/2014)

[Hitou]

i hope they release a set of REM type weapons that uses relevant content as its upgrade criteria. doesnt it bother anyone that our games best weapons come from completing content that is a complete fucking joke, never mind outdated? REM should be dethroned to weapons which take the same level of dedication to complete on par with R,E, and M's in their time. why isnt this something people confront the devs about? or is it actually the majority of the poulation now that is making the devs talk this useless shit about how theyre gonna "ease content over time"?

I'm not actually sure what this post is asking. RME take the same effort to build now as they did "in their time" unless you mean circa '05 relics, intial 50k alex mythics, and I guess 80 cap empyreans? You have to do relevant content to upgrade them to 119. Delve boss, AA, and the new Oboro weapons are on par with RME for the most part, with notable exceptions, and come from current content. If you're asking for new RME style weapons from adoulin then fair enough, people have speculated about them and/or have been asking about them for a while now.

[Damane]

i hope they release a set of REM type weapons that uses relevant content as its upgrade criteria. doesnt it bother anyone that our games best weapons come from completing content that is a complete fucking joke, never mind outdated? REM should be dethroned to weapons which take the same level of dedication to complete on par with R,E, and M's in their time. why isnt this something people confront the devs about? or is it actually the majority of the poulation now that is making the devs talk this useless shit about how theyre gonna "ease content over time"?

I actually rather have them release weapons that dont need again that amount of effort to get, but can be done without gil (as in you actually need to play the content)

[Tarage]

He's saying RME should be obsoleted and a new weapon set should be created for Adoulin content that is akin to what it took to get RME when it came out.

It's a retarded thought and a big 'fuck you' to everyone who has put effort into those, but that's what he's saying...

[Draylo]

Dumb idea

[Damane]

He's saying RME should be obsoleted and a new weapon set should be created for Adoulin content that is akin to what it took to get RME when it came out.

It's a retarded thought and a big 'fuck you' to everyone who has put effort into those, but that's what he's saying...

well wouldnt let surpass them, but be on equal foot in a different manner

[NynJa]

and the new Oboro weapons are on par with RME for the most part

Umm....not even close.

[dasva]

Umm....not even close.

Oh cmon they are close to some of the rems. Some are even better.

[NynJa]

Do explain, because I have yet to get any of Oboro's 119's on any of my chars, and its not a matter of "6-8 mil being too expensive".

[Priran]

Oh cmon they are close to some of the rems. Some are even better.

if by "some of the rems" you mean gastraphetes or claustrum. most of them are inferior to non-rem 119 alternatives. the mnk, blu, and sch weapons are the worst offenders, but oboro weapons by and large are trash-tier, and the couple passable ones are the exception.

[Ophannus]

RDM's is nice if you have the inventory for it and are used for Phalanx II, BRD's has its uses for non-career BRDs, and THF's is actually pretty good, has a nice array of useful stats besides the obvious TH+1--makes a great offhand and the 5% WS dmg.

[NynJa]

and the couple passable ones are the exception.

And theyre still pretty bad. I know ffxiah owner lists arent a proper assessment, but its a start:
mnk: 5 owners
pup: 10 owners (and this one might actually have utility for pup)
thf: 100+
dng: 8 owners
rdm: 3
blu: 1
run: 52
bst: 12
war: 15
drk: 2 (LOLSCYTHE)
drg: 3
nin: 22
sam: 5
whm: 6
blm: 12
smn: 29
sch: 9
rng: 18
cor: 25
geo: 15 (and this ones actually best in slot compared to alternatives)
brd: 100+
pld: 20

Claustrum isnt THAT bad though, once you 119 it atleast, it finally has some utility as a nuking stick.

RDM's is nice if you have the inventory for it and are used for Phalanx II

You're justifying something utility by its ability to annul an extra 2 damage on phalanx. That's pretty bad.

The harp is good, because most people dont have the patience for soul farming (ochain was enough for me). And THF will cater to bad thieves. You should be offhanding a better weapon when you have other TH alternatives on gear.

[Byrthnoth]

DNC's dagger is worse than Izhiikoh, Vanir Knife, Twashtar, and Terpsichore, but is better than Eminent Dagger.
WAR's GA is better than Castigation or the Eminent option and might be better than Qalgwer, but is worse than the RMEs.

This quest line basically provides an AH-obtainable weapon that's pretty good for every job. It closes the gap between accessible non-RME and RMEs for most/all jobs.

[Karbuncle]

THF is actually, to anyone who has decent weapons already, only good for wanting TH8 while gimping yourself less than you would with THF knife. Any RME/Iziikoh combo will outperform the Dung Knife, and the only reason i bring up RME is simply because the argument started by saying some are better than RME.

I'd like to say the new 119 Airlixir weapon from delve, when maxed, is better than old Dungy, but haven't done the proper sheetwork. So while its not garbage tier, its less useful than what we already have access too... But that could be said about most of them I suppose.

Still thats not to say thats bad, their intent was to be decent 119 weapons that people could easily obtain, not to be best in slot for everything. So their purpose is served but still some of them are quite awful, while some have niche uses. Some of them very ... very very niche uses. Though some are downright useless :D

[Fake]

Considering these weapons were just intended as a casual's 119 option, they did exactly what they were supposed to.

What SE hasn't seemed to work out yet is that vertical gear systems only work if they actually introduce higher ilevel stuff periodically and keep shifting the top tier upwards. Currently we have the average ffxiah retard able to obtain the same ilevel gear as the most hardcore player, which is just plain stupid and defies the entire purpose of an ilevel system. Even if REM stuff is slightly better, everyone can easily hit 119 in most slots.

[Ophannus]

You're justifying something utility by its ability to annul an extra 2 damage on phalanx. That's pretty bad.

Considering how unique of a stat that is, yes. But not overall just in terms of its unique utility, no other item for RDM enhances Phalanx directly like that.

[NynJa]

Let me know when RDM's are being invited to events and not having 5/5 phalanx II being the dealbreaker.

[dasva]

if by "some of the rems" you mean gastraphetes or claustrum. most of them are inferior to non-rem 119 alternatives. the mnk, blu, and sch weapons are the worst offenders, but oboro weapons by and large are trash-tier, and the couple passable ones are the exception.

More that buddy. There are plenty of relics and a few empyreans that might as well be just base dmg and skill. Regardless I'd hardly call any 119 weapon trash tier let alone act like all rems blow them out of the water

[Prothescar]

Aettir is best for RUN at the moment, but that will undoubtedly change with the RME equivalent weapon. Oboro 119s are a step below REMs for some jobs; for some weapons, like BLU sword, they're a step below Delve augmentables and boss drops.

[Damane]

Considering these weapons were just intended as a casual's 119 option, they did exactly what they were supposed to.

What SE hasn't seemed to work out yet is that vertical gear systems only work if they actually introduce higher ilevel stuff periodically and keep shifting the top tier upwards. Currently we have the average ffxiah retard able to obtain the same ilevel gear as the most hardcore player, which is just plain stupid and defies the entire purpose of an ilevel system. Even if REM stuff is slightly better, everyone can easily hit 119 in most slots.

I dont like the ilvl system, i rather stay at ilvl 119 and have vertical + horizontal progression on ilvl 119. All those stat vomits etc are garbage. The jump was nice to make it even more easier to solo-destroy olde content, but no more ilvl jump. If they do another ilvl jump i might as well hop over to FFXIV and play that, with much easier ways to get gear then in FFXI.

Dont get me wrong I like progression, but FFXI doesnt go well with too much vertical progression and ilvl gear when you have to gear 5 jobs that all use different equipment. The game just isnt designed for fast vertical progression, might as well just trash the game entirely if you go fast vertical progression.

[Priran]

spoiler alert ffxiv has ilvl too and it jumps all the fucking time

the "level cap" is still 50, the game's been out less than a year, and they've gotten up to ilvl 115 already